Whose burden is it?

One of the subjects I encounter continuously and almost certainly is on the burden of proof, and its killing me that I am always getting different answers from the believers. So I will now be visiting each of these and try to give my reasons on why they might not be valid. When I discuss with believers about the Burden of Proof with religious believers, there are four main different perspectives on the subject.

1) Agrees that the burden of proof of god falls on the claim maker

Real life example: “Yes, it is true that the burden of proof falls on the claim maker, however, if the non-believer are rejecting every evidence we provide and being close-minded about it, there is really nothing we can do to convince them otherwise. ”

2) Agrees that the burden of proof of god falls on the claim maker, but also on the person rejecting the claim

Real life example: ” So the atheist has plenty to prove, a few of those things are: the non-existence of God, the non-existence of a soul (or mind), the non-existence of any other abstract entity. The atheist then, has his work cut out for him just as much as the theist does.”

3) Disagrees that the burden of proof of god falls on the claim maker, but lies entirely on the person for rejecting the claim

Real life example: “You are the one denying my claim, so you should be the one proving why you think we are wrong. For example, here I am stating that gravity is true, if you want to deny gravity, you have to be the one with the evidence for denying it!”

4) Disagrees that the burden of proof of god falls on the claim maker or the person rejecting the claim and is ambivalent that anyone has the responsibility to prove their belief/disbelief.

Real life example:  “Yes I am sure I will have disagreements over politics or religion with someone but that doesn’t mean I or they have any philosophical burden of proof. I may or may not think I need something but my feelings or beliefs would not create a burden of proof.  I hope I gave good reasons for either group to abandon the notion and just think about whatever the issue is for themselves.”

Now, I am going to refute each of these four arguments (all of which came from actual debates I had) Continue reading

Stop shoving your disbelief down my throat

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“Why must you shove your disbelief onto other people’s faces? Why can’t you just let us believe whatever we want? I don’t see why you care so much and write so much about something which you do not believe in! Everyone has the right to believe what they want, just don’t impose your beliefs/disbelief onto us.”

It is one thing to preach, but another thing to practice.

It matters to me as a humanist, because Continue reading